As the creator of Trilogy, I do not agree with changing the game order rule. These categories were intended to be played in fixed order (release order). Fixed order is essential to the spirit and basic definition of the categories. Also, there are years of runs using fixed order. Free order would need to be a completely new subcategory.

Sweet, my run from 4 years ago had up+a, so I can't submit it, but that's okay I guess. Unless you'd create subcategory or filter for up+a, which would be nice. Justin Bailey% would be the category name and then you'd have Up+A and Deathless as the two sub categories / filters

yeah roop's explanation, especially the second paragraph, is why darbian used no ww in marihour and why it's in other any% multi cats, though if you really want to do a WW/ACE marathon look at decathlon any%

if you have ANN why not also have VS, though it's pretty dupey with existing cats any way you look at it

i'm confused on what sm64 warpless 'is.' also what roop said about mairhour also special darbian historic category - only reason why it's here - otherwise would be too dupey with pentathlon any% which predates hour.

without sm64 it's pentathlon warpless, do that instead imo. sm64 warpless is not a thing even if kosmic did a run

What do you guys think about this little meme? Might as well, right?

I'd enjoy All Bosses NG+ too

Copied directly from the rules: Game over/reset is allowed

You have found the secret of using continue after a soft reset ^_^

Love that 4-2 Fire Grab as well

would the cutscenes between levels have anything to do with this? idk just throwing it out. you can get a first frame cutscene every time fairly easily but after that time is lost by frame

Could we get https://www.speedrun.com/smb2ce added to Mario Series?

This is Super Mario Bros. 2 Category Extensions

Yup for all those reasons and more there's never been a distance rule even back in the oldest Twin Galaxies days. Also, it's a speedrun, not a "challenge." One other thing - Kill Screen is nigh impossible without a small TV and sitting close

Original hardware is not required. Emulator rules follow the individual games' rules

Save state may not be used to switch games, but multiple consoles / emulator windows are allowed

If using multiple consoles, game switching may be done during cutscenes, but playing another game during cutscenes is banned in all categories.

Cutscene play and simultaneous play are banned.

There is no restriction on taking breaks, but break time beyond the 25 seconds of allowed time between games, or breaks not during game switch, will be added to final times.

Switching Games and Timing Timing must follow the normal RTA timing for each game and the beginning and end of each game's timing must be clearly visible. Any means to speed up game switching such as multiple consoles / emu windows and switching / prepping during cutscenes is allowed.

Time with loads / game switching and time without loads / game switching are tracked on the leaderboards (with the exception of Marihour and Credits Warps) A maximum of 25 seconds is allowed between games before time begins to be added to final times.

If using cartridge-based hardware, It is not necessary to physically switch games on the clock or put games in console on the clock. The game can be physically in the console and ready to go. For example, a game can be put into a console during a cutscene in another game. Additionally, testing a game to see if it is working is acceptable off the clock. Any alcohol swabbing or seating cartridge to ensure the game works can be done during cutscenes. A 2nd console, AV switch, or other hardware may be used to facilitate the switching games.

All categories with the exception of Decathlon require that after the initial game, additional games must be booted up on the clock with power on visible. This prevents pressing start on title screen and having next game ready at the starting point before finishing a previous game when using multiple consoles

Try pause buffering so you can repress the hold button

I like the christmas hack :)

Could we have speedrun.com/mcmg added to Mario Series and game type added as Multi-Game?

World 2 Any%, World 3 Any% etc (start at beginning, warp to and beat X world) is fun at least as a race, imo. that's essentially what Beat 5-4 is, but i don't see IWs or ILs being added back, and that'd be a main board thing anyway. the CE page is already swamped w/ submissions

perhaps a different category(ies)

If I remember correctly, it’s not possible to beat all 256 levels without using swim in air code, or maybe some of them don’t have a flagpole. but I’ve thought about this idea before too. In fact, game genie codes provide hundreds and thousands of extensions

I'd say yes

I really like: Warp Abuse (or All Warps, No S+Q) 240 Fireworks <- Love this! Coinless 1 Warp <- Yes! 104 s/o (or All Stages, Both Characters, Small Only)

Not a fan: All-Stars All Stars All Water Areas, No W9 <- worked well in SMB1, but not this game. Too many issues

I would recommend: All Coin Heavens (SFC) <- This is a thing! I have a time, but no video currently. It does require 8-4 warpless, but does not beat d-4 or require warpless in letter worlds. I would not want it to be No W9.

All Water Areas was allowed to beat the game in second quest because it's specifically a MWE and Level Select designed category (for fastest route anyway) - would be kinda dumb to be required to beat the game first then do MWE. Also the final water area is right before bowser.

However - Water Areas is not required to be FDS-only since world -1 is the water area, and you can soft reset after it. FDS is just the fastest route. Same would be true for RoyL Coin Heavens, not required but is fastest route. In Minus World Ending and the old category "Both Endings," FDS is actually required (and stated).

On that note, I miss "Both Endings," that was a great i_o_l category. There were at least 3 runs of it...

Anyway, original spirit of ACH was to do them all in first quest. At the time when NickJ and I started messing around with ACH, Level Select was widely considered bad to use, so we didn't even consider using the MWE route (we knew about that route). We thought the building pressure of needing a good 1-2 a few times in one run was kinda cool - there wasn't even an RTA viable FPG at the time, if I remember correctly, but requiring a few good 1-1s with FPG for optimal run is also pretty cool.

1-2g possiblity makes the RoyL Coin Heavens route arguably just as good aesthetically, though, if not better

I had originally followed the global ban on Level Select for ACH, but upon further thought it makes sense to me to complete the coin heavens in either quest, therefore collecting them in second quest (which is what happens when you beat MWE - you're put into second quest) should be fine. While this does remove some content that was very good imo (i liked 5-4 and multiple 1-1s and 1-2s, and especially optimal 1-1 with FPG and 1-2 with run under and lip jumps - great content) and it also obsoletes runs that were done under a previous rule set, I am personally for the change. The worst thing about it is that it obsoletes runs done under another (arguably more difficult optimally) rule set.

I definitely don't think we need to add any more categories to deal with this, though, so the best thing to do imo is to allow Level Select in ACH.

This would only affect categories that do not beat the game - beating the game is still globally defined as beating bowser in first quest, so 1 warp, all 1up mushrooms etc would not be affected. If I'm not mistaken 10 Lives could be affected, can't remember.